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Unlimited Rentals – Customers pay $29.95 and have unlimited access to a RealTouch video for life

7-Day Rentals – Customers pay $9.95 for unlimited viewing within a 7-day period

What has stopped many people from buying the RealTouch is the thought that you are going to pay $199 for something that you will then have to pay for again and again if you want to use it (once your free 60 minutes have been used up). With the unlimited rentals option, you will soon have the possibility to purchase your favourite RealTouch videos to use for life!

There are no more excuses. Get your ticket to the world of virtual sex now."

Is this true? When will we be able to OWN our own realtouch videos?]]>
Unlimited Rentals – Customers pay $29.95 and have unlimited access to a RealTouch video for life

7-Day Rentals – Customers pay $9.95 for unlimited viewing within a 7-day period

What has stopped many people from buying the RealTouch is the thought that you are going to pay $199 for something that you will then have to pay for again and again if you want to use it (once your free 60 minutes have been used up). With the unlimited rentals option, you will soon have the possibility to purchase your favourite RealTouch videos to use for life!

There are no more excuses. Get your ticket to the world of virtual sex now."

Is this true? When will we be able to OWN our own realtouch videos?]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=148 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:35:21 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=148 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=147 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:31:52 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=147 Now my real touch will not work. I have contacted Support and wanting for a call to have it fix or replaced. I love the real touch and want to continue to use it but will not spend to buy another one. i hope the customer service comes through.]]> Now my real touch will not work. I have contacted Support and wanting for a call to have it fix or replaced. I love the real touch and want to continue to use it but will not spend to buy another one. i hope the customer service comes through.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=146 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:03:46 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=146
I finally got the chance to use the real touch after it was sitting in the closet for two days because I couldn't get the time to use it.

But I finally broke it out tonight so here goes:

At first I was not happy at all and ready to pack it up and send it back because it wouldn't work on my desktop at all. I wasted over 20 mins of video time trying to trouble shoot to figure out why the hell my WMP wouldn't reconize it and tec support via live chat took over an hour and a half to conclude they didn't know what the problem was either. I still havn't figured it out but thankfully I had a laptop at my brothers house so I went and got that which worked fine with the program. The anger was now gone.

To the action: I have to admit while testing it out I clicked on the first vid I saw just to make sure it was syncing to the device right and accidently clicked on a tranny vid ....EWWW!! Whats worse is it took about 30 seconds to figure that out (which btw what the hell is that doing in the straight section anyways?) but at least I knew it worked..

So thats when I looked up my fav porn star and fired up a real run and was very impressed! For two belts this thing does a LOT and there was no delay so it was timed with the video perfectly. All the acts had their own feeling and it was close enough for me to how it would really feel. When the action speeds up so does the machine and when it slows down the teasing begins. I fired off a good round and can't wait to go back for seconds.

All the cons are obvious but worring about conserving my mins did ruin it a little....aebn mins are so much cheaper....y not use those prices?

Anyways the thought of connecting the laptop to the 40" lcd 1080p flatscreen while the realtouch drains my balls gives me a hard on just thinking about it.....I have got to get the cord to connect those together!

it sure would be nice to see these vids in hdmi blueray too......wow gotta go I think im ready for round 2.]]>
I finally got the chance to use the real touch after it was sitting in the closet for two days because I couldn't get the time to use it.

But I finally broke it out tonight so here goes:

At first I was not happy at all and ready to pack it up and send it back because it wouldn't work on my desktop at all. I wasted over 20 mins of video time trying to trouble shoot to figure out why the hell my WMP wouldn't reconize it and tec support via live chat took over an hour and a half to conclude they didn't know what the problem was either. I still havn't figured it out but thankfully I had a laptop at my brothers house so I went and got that which worked fine with the program. The anger was now gone.

To the action: I have to admit while testing it out I clicked on the first vid I saw just to make sure it was syncing to the device right and accidently clicked on a tranny vid ....EWWW!! Whats worse is it took about 30 seconds to figure that out (which btw what the hell is that doing in the straight section anyways?) but at least I knew it worked..

So thats when I looked up my fav porn star and fired up a real run and was very impressed! For two belts this thing does a LOT and there was no delay so it was timed with the video perfectly. All the acts had their own feeling and it was close enough for me to how it would really feel. When the action speeds up so does the machine and when it slows down the teasing begins. I fired off a good round and can't wait to go back for seconds.

All the cons are obvious but worring about conserving my mins did ruin it a little....aebn mins are so much cheaper....y not use those prices?

Anyways the thought of connecting the laptop to the 40" lcd 1080p flatscreen while the realtouch drains my balls gives me a hard on just thinking about it.....I have got to get the cord to connect those together!

it sure would be nice to see these vids in hdmi blueray too......wow gotta go I think im ready for round 2.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=145 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:07:56 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=145
If I wasn't so "quick on the draw" I might be angry about the minutes but as I said I've used it twice. 2 minutes were spent trouble shooting a windows 7 64 bit problem and I'm only down 6 minutes total.]]>
If I wasn't so "quick on the draw" I might be angry about the minutes but as I said I've used it twice. 2 minutes were spent trouble shooting a windows 7 64 bit problem and I'm only down 6 minutes total.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=144 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:35:23 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=144 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=143 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:10:44 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=143
When I first opend the box I was very dissapointed.
I thought about some of the jokes on the forums about fucking Mr. peanut or assimo! LOL
I put everything together and lubed the device.
They use WET lube, which is available everywhere.
Using a towel under the device, as I have read in the forums, is a very good idea.
Note: You need a decent errection before using the device and because you are paying by the minute it might be a good idea to get ready off the realtouch meter.
I tried a few movies and all I can say is WOW.
The device was VERY impressive.
I was amazed at some of the subtle feelings the Realtouch could generate.
I agree with most of the posts the slow sensations are amazing.
It's not really like sex (because your not really fucking the device - the device is fucking you), but the blow jobs are amazing.
Calling it a "penis massager" would be an understatement.
I busted a few unbelievably amazing nuts using the realtouch.
The only thing dissapointing about the device is using up my minutes went very quick and that made me very anxious.
I would probably use this device twice a day if they had some sort of ($50-100/mo) unlimited membership.
@ $10-$25 per session I would have to limit my use of the realtouch to maybe once or twice a week.
I understand realtouch's business model, but i think they are forgetting that heavy users become evangelists and ultimately they will sell more devices. I wish they had an "unlimited" plan.
I feel like I'm held at gunpoint with their business model, and in my spare time I'm probably going to hack the device and produce my own homebrew software/hardware for the realtouch for my own pleasure.
A "kid" hacked the iphone (and the PS3) in a summer. It shouldn't take us pros more than a week or two.
If there are any other hardware/software engineers out there interested in forming a SMALL non-commercial club let me know.]]>
When I first opend the box I was very dissapointed.
I thought about some of the jokes on the forums about fucking Mr. peanut or assimo! LOL
I put everything together and lubed the device.
They use WET lube, which is available everywhere.
Using a towel under the device, as I have read in the forums, is a very good idea.
Note: You need a decent errection before using the device and because you are paying by the minute it might be a good idea to get ready off the realtouch meter.
I tried a few movies and all I can say is WOW.
The device was VERY impressive.
I was amazed at some of the subtle feelings the Realtouch could generate.
I agree with most of the posts the slow sensations are amazing.
It's not really like sex (because your not really fucking the device - the device is fucking you), but the blow jobs are amazing.
Calling it a "penis massager" would be an understatement.
I busted a few unbelievably amazing nuts using the realtouch.
The only thing dissapointing about the device is using up my minutes went very quick and that made me very anxious.
I would probably use this device twice a day if they had some sort of ($50-100/mo) unlimited membership.
@ $10-$25 per session I would have to limit my use of the realtouch to maybe once or twice a week.
I understand realtouch's business model, but i think they are forgetting that heavy users become evangelists and ultimately they will sell more devices. I wish they had an "unlimited" plan.
I feel like I'm held at gunpoint with their business model, and in my spare time I'm probably going to hack the device and produce my own homebrew software/hardware for the realtouch for my own pleasure.
A "kid" hacked the iphone (and the PS3) in a summer. It shouldn't take us pros more than a week or two.
If there are any other hardware/software engineers out there interested in forming a SMALL non-commercial club let me know.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=142 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:22:35 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=142
1) The Flip Hole. It's a great product. Very well crafted. The style is very high, like an Ipod, and the sensations are very nice. It takes a little getting used to, as compared to a realskin vagina, but I have used the Flip Hole White, and I would recomend it as a good buy. It's easy to clean and if you squeeze the buttons it gives very good sensations like sucking. I concur with posts I have read, and the hinge looks a little flimsy, so I would recomend being delicate with the device when cleaning. I like the fact that you can re-use this toy, although in terms of "feeling" the realtouch kicks the fliphole's ass. On the other hand you don't need to lug a computer and internet connection to enjoy the device. What makes this different that your average realskin fuck hole is you can vary the sensations with the buttons.

2) The Warmer. I got the warmer that you plug in. Figured it would be much better than the limited use microwave one. The warmer works very well. If you are gong to use the FlipHole or the Ona Cups I HIGHLY recomend the warmer. The "Body" type heat it produces enhances the feel of the toy. Makes it feel more natural versus fucking some clammy cold pussy toy.

3) Eggs - So I used one of the eggs this morning, and all I can say is skip the eggs. It's like a large condom with ridges on the inside. It's nice because it's small and portable, but you could always carry a small bottle of lube and use your hand. I tried the wavy egg first, and tried soft subtle movements as one post suggested, but did not really enjoy it. Tried some vigorous use and the "condom" broke. I did not appreciate the subtle feelings from the egg. I'm sorry I bought so many. If your going to try it, buy 1 and then see if you want to buy more.

4) Ona Cups. So far I have tried a bunch of the Ona Cups, and my opinion thus far is simple. Stick to the white Ona Cups (if, like me, you like a soft enveloping feeling -- like a pussy). The black ones seemed too rough. It's felt like I was hitting something hard as I was stroking. The Reds are ok (somewhere in the middle between red and black), but the Whites give me the best feelings. I have had some amazing stroke sessions with the white ona cups and a good DVD. The sucking actions are nice, and using the "blow holes" to vary the suction is very intuative. I have been able to extend the use beyond one time. If you can "pull out" and cum outside the ona cup you can probably re-lube the device and extend the use of the device for a long time without it getting too gross.

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If your going to buy anything try the white onacups first available on several websites. I would suggest the blow job one first. With a warmer it will feel more natural, but your body heat will eventually heat the device so it's not neccessary, but very nice.

That's my 2 cents. Good luck guys!!]]>
1) The Flip Hole. It's a great product. Very well crafted. The style is very high, like an Ipod, and the sensations are very nice. It takes a little getting used to, as compared to a realskin vagina, but I have used the Flip Hole White, and I would recomend it as a good buy. It's easy to clean and if you squeeze the buttons it gives very good sensations like sucking. I concur with posts I have read, and the hinge looks a little flimsy, so I would recomend being delicate with the device when cleaning. I like the fact that you can re-use this toy, although in terms of "feeling" the realtouch kicks the fliphole's ass. On the other hand you don't need to lug a computer and internet connection to enjoy the device. What makes this different that your average realskin fuck hole is you can vary the sensations with the buttons.

2) The Warmer. I got the warmer that you plug in. Figured it would be much better than the limited use microwave one. The warmer works very well. If you are gong to use the FlipHole or the Ona Cups I HIGHLY recomend the warmer. The "Body" type heat it produces enhances the feel of the toy. Makes it feel more natural versus fucking some clammy cold pussy toy.

3) Eggs - So I used one of the eggs this morning, and all I can say is skip the eggs. It's like a large condom with ridges on the inside. It's nice because it's small and portable, but you could always carry a small bottle of lube and use your hand. I tried the wavy egg first, and tried soft subtle movements as one post suggested, but did not really enjoy it. Tried some vigorous use and the "condom" broke. I did not appreciate the subtle feelings from the egg. I'm sorry I bought so many. If your going to try it, buy 1 and then see if you want to buy more.

4) Ona Cups. So far I have tried a bunch of the Ona Cups, and my opinion thus far is simple. Stick to the white Ona Cups (if, like me, you like a soft enveloping feeling -- like a pussy). The black ones seemed too rough. It's felt like I was hitting something hard as I was stroking. The Reds are ok (somewhere in the middle between red and black), but the Whites give me the best feelings. I have had some amazing stroke sessions with the white ona cups and a good DVD. The sucking actions are nice, and using the "blow holes" to vary the suction is very intuative. I have been able to extend the use beyond one time. If you can "pull out" and cum outside the ona cup you can probably re-lube the device and extend the use of the device for a long time without it getting too gross.

---

If your going to buy anything try the white onacups first available on several websites. I would suggest the blow job one first. With a warmer it will feel more natural, but your body heat will eventually heat the device so it's not neccessary, but very nice.

That's my 2 cents. Good luck guys!!]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=141 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:49 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=141
As for the rest of the experience, I found myself reaching orgasm fairly quickly, but it was the kind of orgasm where my body reacted before I felt ready to blast off. It was a different kind of orgasm, too. Nowhere near as intense as what I experience when using my hand.

I suspect that the reason why I experienced this is because I've been using my hand since breaking up with my wife two years ago, being used to doing it that way, and possibly also because I've been having some difficulties getting and keeping a really good erection. Plus the excess lube seemed to dampen sensation a little bit rather than enhance it.

The Tenga 6.0 comes preloaded with lube, and I found there was too much - in fact, more than there should be for something that is intended to be a single-use device. At least you can't complain about insufficient lube!

I also found the lube to have a somewhat disagreeable smell - rather plasticky/chemical in character and, for a water-based lube, a bit hard to wash off using mild soap and water.

The Tenga 6.0 can be cleaned, but not easily, and reassembling the device is a pain. One helpful hint I can offer is to remove the lube-saturated pad from the device first. Then remove the actual plastic insert, (you have to remove the retaining ring first before the insert comes free) turn it inside out, and wash it with mild soap and water. The lube is quite slippery, so you may find this operation to be a bit harder in actual practice than it sounds. Re-assemble the device in reverse order, finishing with replacement of the cap that is removed before the Tenga can be used.

My overall impression of the device is that it's interesting, but not wholly realistic. I paid $30.00 (including shipping) for mine, and think it's a bit pricey in relation to the experience it provides, and the limited number of uses I will get out of it.

I will try using it again and see if my opinion changes, but for now, I'm giving it 3.5 stars. If the makers of Tenga came up with a version where the user can select the amount of lube, and also clean it for a reasonable number of uses, then the cost-benefit ratio would improve dramatically.
Oh, wait! Isn't that what the Tenga Flip Hole is supposed to do?? ]]>
As for the rest of the experience, I found myself reaching orgasm fairly quickly, but it was the kind of orgasm where my body reacted before I felt ready to blast off. It was a different kind of orgasm, too. Nowhere near as intense as what I experience when using my hand.

I suspect that the reason why I experienced this is because I've been using my hand since breaking up with my wife two years ago, being used to doing it that way, and possibly also because I've been having some difficulties getting and keeping a really good erection. Plus the excess lube seemed to dampen sensation a little bit rather than enhance it.

The Tenga 6.0 comes preloaded with lube, and I found there was too much - in fact, more than there should be for something that is intended to be a single-use device. At least you can't complain about insufficient lube!

I also found the lube to have a somewhat disagreeable smell - rather plasticky/chemical in character and, for a water-based lube, a bit hard to wash off using mild soap and water.

The Tenga 6.0 can be cleaned, but not easily, and reassembling the device is a pain. One helpful hint I can offer is to remove the lube-saturated pad from the device first. Then remove the actual plastic insert, (you have to remove the retaining ring first before the insert comes free) turn it inside out, and wash it with mild soap and water. The lube is quite slippery, so you may find this operation to be a bit harder in actual practice than it sounds. Re-assemble the device in reverse order, finishing with replacement of the cap that is removed before the Tenga can be used.

My overall impression of the device is that it's interesting, but not wholly realistic. I paid $30.00 (including shipping) for mine, and think it's a bit pricey in relation to the experience it provides, and the limited number of uses I will get out of it.

I will try using it again and see if my opinion changes, but for now, I'm giving it 3.5 stars. If the makers of Tenga came up with a version where the user can select the amount of lube, and also clean it for a reasonable number of uses, then the cost-benefit ratio would improve dramatically.
Oh, wait! Isn't that what the Tenga Flip Hole is supposed to do?? ]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=140 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:55:05 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=140 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=139 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:43:15 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=139
Honestly I think the whole lube pump thing wasn't designed well. As well as the rest of the device when you consider having to clean it, It would be ideal if the sensitive motor and electronics would be able to detach from the rest of the unit, then reconnect through a drive shaft or gear box and some water tight connector (a short cable lead that's completely sealed at the base and has a good connector at the end would work great)

The whole lube pump and reservoir should definitely be detachable, so that you can full rinse it, and dry it. I know these magnetic pumps are fully sealed so it seems like it could have even been a part of the removable shell with a slightly smaller detachable resevoir. As is the lube pump is practically unusable in my opinion, due to leaking, clogging, and storage reasons. Which is really unfortunate because lube just sprays off in use and it's a pain to relube during use manually.

Maybe some ideas for RT v2.0? I'll be happy to test and provide more feedback ]]>
Honestly I think the whole lube pump thing wasn't designed well. As well as the rest of the device when you consider having to clean it, It would be ideal if the sensitive motor and electronics would be able to detach from the rest of the unit, then reconnect through a drive shaft or gear box and some water tight connector (a short cable lead that's completely sealed at the base and has a good connector at the end would work great)

The whole lube pump and reservoir should definitely be detachable, so that you can full rinse it, and dry it. I know these magnetic pumps are fully sealed so it seems like it could have even been a part of the removable shell with a slightly smaller detachable resevoir. As is the lube pump is practically unusable in my opinion, due to leaking, clogging, and storage reasons. Which is really unfortunate because lube just sprays off in use and it's a pain to relube during use manually.

Maybe some ideas for RT v2.0? I'll be happy to test and provide more feedback ]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=138 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:40:41 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=138
Ownership- set price per clip and you get to own the clip for as long as you want (the only issue being if a studio has to pull it down for legal/contract reasons). You couldn't download the file and store it locally but to view the clip it would only cost you one price, and then you could watch it as much as you want.

Rental- Keep the clip and watch it as much as you want for a week at a time...if you don't feel like spending the money to "buy" a clip.

Pay Per Minute- This model would still be there, so you could buy a package and watch when you want, or be able to "sample" a whole clip in order to buy it.

Membership- How about paying a monthly fee to get "tracks" with no video just making the device work and can be played as much as you want? Again this would require a internet connection, but the membership fee would be low (10$ range?) and it would be unlimited.

So ideas? What do you guys think?]]>
Ownership- set price per clip and you get to own the clip for as long as you want (the only issue being if a studio has to pull it down for legal/contract reasons). You couldn't download the file and store it locally but to view the clip it would only cost you one price, and then you could watch it as much as you want.

Rental- Keep the clip and watch it as much as you want for a week at a time...if you don't feel like spending the money to "buy" a clip.

Pay Per Minute- This model would still be there, so you could buy a package and watch when you want, or be able to "sample" a whole clip in order to buy it.

Membership- How about paying a monthly fee to get "tracks" with no video just making the device work and can be played as much as you want? Again this would require a internet connection, but the membership fee would be low (10$ range?) and it would be unlimited.

So ideas? What do you guys think?]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=137 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:21 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=137 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=136 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:27:10 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=136
Figure 15 minutes a day, 31 days in a month = 465 minutes
$50/465 minutes = 10.75 cents/minute
Seems about right

Well, really it seems expensive but if pay per view porn is successful at $0.08 per minute, $0.11 seems okay since you already had to fork over $299 for the device.

The price it is now would cost $465/month if you didn't buy the 200 minute pack and $232.50/month if you kept planning ahead and buying the bulk minutes.

I almost forgot. Watching the promo video I see there is a 2.7 ounce lube reservoir that needs to filled each use. Lube is over $1.00 per ounce if get a good deal. So figure $3.00 per orgasm just for lube.

31 orgasms/month * $3/orgasm= 93$/month on lube alone.

So the price as it is now after purchase of the unit itself is:

Between $325.50 and $558 per month depending on how many minutes you buy at a time and based on use of once a day with 15 min per use. Figure that over a year and it comes to between $3,906 and $6,696 again depending on the minutes bundle you buy.

From a business perspective, there is no way this can build a sustained user base. People may buy out of impulse but when those free minutes run out they will quickly realize the device is not worth it at that price. Also, the exclusive pay per view business model is scarcity mentality on display. The next company who offers own-able movies is going to come out on top. Make it more like a videogame system. $399 for the console and $59.99 per game.

I'm sure the thing feels fantastic and I'd like to get one myself but not at this price. I'll wait for the next competitor with realistic pricing.]]>
Figure 15 minutes a day, 31 days in a month = 465 minutes
$50/465 minutes = 10.75 cents/minute
Seems about right

Well, really it seems expensive but if pay per view porn is successful at $0.08 per minute, $0.11 seems okay since you already had to fork over $299 for the device.

The price it is now would cost $465/month if you didn't buy the 200 minute pack and $232.50/month if you kept planning ahead and buying the bulk minutes.

I almost forgot. Watching the promo video I see there is a 2.7 ounce lube reservoir that needs to filled each use. Lube is over $1.00 per ounce if get a good deal. So figure $3.00 per orgasm just for lube.

31 orgasms/month * $3/orgasm= 93$/month on lube alone.

So the price as it is now after purchase of the unit itself is:

Between $325.50 and $558 per month depending on how many minutes you buy at a time and based on use of once a day with 15 min per use. Figure that over a year and it comes to between $3,906 and $6,696 again depending on the minutes bundle you buy.

From a business perspective, there is no way this can build a sustained user base. People may buy out of impulse but when those free minutes run out they will quickly realize the device is not worth it at that price. Also, the exclusive pay per view business model is scarcity mentality on display. The next company who offers own-able movies is going to come out on top. Make it more like a videogame system. $399 for the console and $59.99 per game.

I'm sure the thing feels fantastic and I'd like to get one myself but not at this price. I'll wait for the next competitor with realistic pricing.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=135 Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:36:40 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=135
The whole staff seemed to be right on top of it. Many condos to Realtouch. I wish you continued success. Oh by the way, when are you going public? I would like to by a few shares.]]>
The whole staff seemed to be right on top of it. Many condos to Realtouch. I wish you continued success. Oh by the way, when are you going public? I would like to by a few shares.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=134 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:56:35 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=134 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=133 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:34:14 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=133

Let me preface this with: This is all stuff I'm guessing AEBN doesn't mind being known. The best security method is one that's so secure that everyone can still know about it and not do anything to you. And so, here we are...

I finally got my hands on a real touch, and... Well, AEBN guys, if you're reading this, I owe your engineering team a round of drinks (after I slap them for abusing HID yet /again/. Seriously. Why do hardware engineers do that? We have WinUSB now! Stop making HID the whipping boy of your "I don't want to install a driver" needs!).

It's been a bit of a holy grail around here to subvert AEBN's security and make the real touch work without streaming videos. Well, kids, not gonna happen, at least, not in a pure software way.

You see, whenever you connect the real touch and start a movie, there's a network based challenge/response system that has to be executed to get the controls box to accept commands. It looks a little like this:

1. Send over a packet to control box, requesting a seed packet from the control box.
2. Receive seed packet. The seed packet seems to contain a constantly incrementing 16-bit value, 2 other 16 bit values that seem kinda random, and your 32-bit device serial number.
3. Repeat above steps again. Maybe to pull another random-ish seed value?
4. Send 2 clock values and your serial ID OVER THE NETWORK to AEBN. Seriously. Try starting a movie, pausing it, unplugging your network cable, and hitting lube burst. No go. You MUST be on the network for the device to function.
5. AEBN sends back a 128-bit value
6. Send 128-bit value to box
7. Receive success status
8. Start RealTouchin'.
9. Once done RealTouchin' (closing WMP or when you hit pause), send over an "off" packet that stops the box from processing new commands until auth steps happen again

Whenever you stop/start a movie, or pause then hit the Lube Burst button, and it pauses a little bit, that's because steps 1-6 are happening. It's phone home and reactivating itself. Now, you could have it phone home, activate, then crash out of whatever you used to activate it so it doesn't deauthenticate itself (I haven't actually tested this method yet), but you're still relying on AEBN to start the thing for you in the first place, so it's a bit of a moot point anyways.

This is smart for multiple reasons, and stupid for a few others. It's smart because the authentication algorithm is hosted in two hard to attack places.

- Remotely, the algorithm is an AEBN web service, so you can't sit there and just exhaust the 32-bit sample space created by the 2 clock values locally, assuming that's is even the correct way to do it. 'course, even if you did exhaust the space, most people wouldn't want to ship around a 64GB look up table just to get sucked off by their computer for free anyways, but it's more the principle of the matter for me.

- Locally, the algorithm is in the chip firmware, since you have to send it the value from the network to compare. Not only is the chip epoxied on the board, so much so that it's even hard to tap the chip lines, making popping the top damn near impossible, and even if you did, you'd need a badass microscope and a /lot/ of time. Really, do you care THAT much?

So, sure, steal all the movies you want. Unless the device phones home and activates itself, they ain't gonna do you shit for good. Not only that, AEBN finds out you've been stealing movies, they ban your serial number from the authentication service, and your RealTouch is dead as a doornail.

As for the stupid part... As with all DRM, the thing that worries me is that if AEBN goes under, or their server dies, the Real Touch goes with it unless they release their authentication method. Not only that, this means no truly standalone movies or control, ever. You'll always need network access, because the second anyone gets their hands on local software with the algorithm, a few minutes with a disassembler and it's all over (technically, at least. Legally, that's a minefield would kill every boner on the board forever were I to explain it. Thank you very much DMCA.).

Now, this doesn't stop people from building their own hardware boxes, which is fairly trivial, as RealAgent has proven. But, there's no such thing as a pure software solution here. You want your own control, you have to build your own hardware. However, controlling the RealTouch is arduino simple, and mimicing their control algorithm isn't too hard beyond that.

So yeah, I'm torn between having some respect for AEBN developing a pretty tight little scheme to control their business model, and angry 'cause I'm gonna have to throw together my own control board do to silly shit with the toy.

But don't waste your time on software. Not going to happen. Scott ain't been talkin' out his ass to the press, that's for sure.

- qDot, who's parents are probably so proud of what he uses his CS degree for.]]>

Let me preface this with: This is all stuff I'm guessing AEBN doesn't mind being known. The best security method is one that's so secure that everyone can still know about it and not do anything to you. And so, here we are...

I finally got my hands on a real touch, and... Well, AEBN guys, if you're reading this, I owe your engineering team a round of drinks (after I slap them for abusing HID yet /again/. Seriously. Why do hardware engineers do that? We have WinUSB now! Stop making HID the whipping boy of your "I don't want to install a driver" needs!).

It's been a bit of a holy grail around here to subvert AEBN's security and make the real touch work without streaming videos. Well, kids, not gonna happen, at least, not in a pure software way.

You see, whenever you connect the real touch and start a movie, there's a network based challenge/response system that has to be executed to get the controls box to accept commands. It looks a little like this:

1. Send over a packet to control box, requesting a seed packet from the control box.
2. Receive seed packet. The seed packet seems to contain a constantly incrementing 16-bit value, 2 other 16 bit values that seem kinda random, and your 32-bit device serial number.
3. Repeat above steps again. Maybe to pull another random-ish seed value?
4. Send 2 clock values and your serial ID OVER THE NETWORK to AEBN. Seriously. Try starting a movie, pausing it, unplugging your network cable, and hitting lube burst. No go. You MUST be on the network for the device to function.
5. AEBN sends back a 128-bit value
6. Send 128-bit value to box
7. Receive success status
8. Start RealTouchin'.
9. Once done RealTouchin' (closing WMP or when you hit pause), send over an "off" packet that stops the box from processing new commands until auth steps happen again

Whenever you stop/start a movie, or pause then hit the Lube Burst button, and it pauses a little bit, that's because steps 1-6 are happening. It's phone home and reactivating itself. Now, you could have it phone home, activate, then crash out of whatever you used to activate it so it doesn't deauthenticate itself (I haven't actually tested this method yet), but you're still relying on AEBN to start the thing for you in the first place, so it's a bit of a moot point anyways.

This is smart for multiple reasons, and stupid for a few others. It's smart because the authentication algorithm is hosted in two hard to attack places.

- Remotely, the algorithm is an AEBN web service, so you can't sit there and just exhaust the 32-bit sample space created by the 2 clock values locally, assuming that's is even the correct way to do it. 'course, even if you did exhaust the space, most people wouldn't want to ship around a 64GB look up table just to get sucked off by their computer for free anyways, but it's more the principle of the matter for me.

- Locally, the algorithm is in the chip firmware, since you have to send it the value from the network to compare. Not only is the chip epoxied on the board, so much so that it's even hard to tap the chip lines, making popping the top damn near impossible, and even if you did, you'd need a badass microscope and a /lot/ of time. Really, do you care THAT much?

So, sure, steal all the movies you want. Unless the device phones home and activates itself, they ain't gonna do you shit for good. Not only that, AEBN finds out you've been stealing movies, they ban your serial number from the authentication service, and your RealTouch is dead as a doornail.

As for the stupid part... As with all DRM, the thing that worries me is that if AEBN goes under, or their server dies, the Real Touch goes with it unless they release their authentication method. Not only that, this means no truly standalone movies or control, ever. You'll always need network access, because the second anyone gets their hands on local software with the algorithm, a few minutes with a disassembler and it's all over (technically, at least. Legally, that's a minefield would kill every boner on the board forever were I to explain it. Thank you very much DMCA.).

Now, this doesn't stop people from building their own hardware boxes, which is fairly trivial, as RealAgent has proven. But, there's no such thing as a pure software solution here. You want your own control, you have to build your own hardware. However, controlling the RealTouch is arduino simple, and mimicing their control algorithm isn't too hard beyond that.

So yeah, I'm torn between having some respect for AEBN developing a pretty tight little scheme to control their business model, and angry 'cause I'm gonna have to throw together my own control board do to silly shit with the toy.

But don't waste your time on software. Not going to happen. Scott ain't been talkin' out his ass to the press, that's for sure.

- qDot, who's parents are probably so proud of what he uses his CS degree for.]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=132 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:38:25 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=132 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=131 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:12:33 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=131
The attached images are simply to document the slit belt problem that I encountered.

This is a design problem with my device and will probably not happen with anyone else. I notified the company about this problem using the website's live chat and was told that management will contact me by email later.

I will order another RealTouch if it is not possible to replace the belt myself, but if so, then hopefully I can obtain a discount.

Anyway, this is a fantastic product and every male on Earth should have at least one!]]>
The attached images are simply to document the slit belt problem that I encountered.

This is a design problem with my device and will probably not happen with anyone else. I notified the company about this problem using the website's live chat and was told that management will contact me by email later.

I will order another RealTouch if it is not possible to replace the belt myself, but if so, then hopefully I can obtain a discount.

Anyway, this is a fantastic product and every male on Earth should have at least one!]]> http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=130 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:02:46 -0600 http://www.realtouchforum.org/showthread.php?tid=130 Quote:True Companion, LLC (http://www.TrueCompanion.com) will be unveiling the world’s first sex robot at the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas. The press conference to cover this momentous event will take place on the main stage at the Expo on Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 11:00 am. The female sex robot, which has taken years to develop, knows its owner’s name, can carry on a discussion, has its own unique personality, knows your likes and dislikes, expresses her love to you, can feel your touch and can even have an orgasm.

“Roxxxy TrueCompanion,” the name of the world’s first sex robot, will also be on stage during the presentation.

Additional details covering the extensive features will be covered during the press conference. ]]> Quote:True Companion, LLC (http://www.TrueCompanion.com) will be unveiling the world’s first sex robot at the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas. The press conference to cover this momentous event will take place on the main stage at the Expo on Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 11:00 am. The female sex robot, which has taken years to develop, knows its owner’s name, can carry on a discussion, has its own unique personality, knows your likes and dislikes, expresses her love to you, can feel your touch and can even have an orgasm.

“Roxxxy TrueCompanion,” the name of the world’s first sex robot, will also be on stage during the presentation.

Additional details covering the extensive features will be covered during the press conference. ]]>