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I keep trying to tell you that there were ZERO legal reasons at play for delays. They were all product engineering related. We have actually been ready to launch since last year (legally). I know how those astronauts who made it to the moon feel now when they hear all the crazy conspiracies.

Yep the product liability is a beast.

(09-03-2009 01:06 AM)Haptic_Encoder Wrote: [ -> ]I keep trying to tell you that there were ZERO legal reasons at play for delays. They were all product engineering related. We have actually been ready to launch since last year (legally). I know how those astronauts who made it to the moon feel now when they hear all the crazy conspiracies.

Yep the product liability is a beast.

I appreciate, from your position, it may seem that way. You may simply not be "in the loop." You may not be aware of existing patent pendings, or the "636 patent situation." Let's get back to something a little more "open to the public."

In any event......I'm concerned about the very real product liability you mention.

Exactly how are you planning to product the delicate penile flesh from what has been described as (Not me, on another board) "opposing belt sanders?" Enough lube, sure...as long as they don't make the mistake of using a non-water based lube, which would turn "sticky." Keep pouring water based lube in there, and it will be absorbed into the skin to a point, then you just have a slippery mess. Dry out, and that material you are using, based on the fleshlight material, gets ever so slightly tacky?
What's the durometer on that? about 25? Soft enough (if there is soft enough) to not damage penile flesh would seem to make those belts to soft to hold on to the pinned belts. Rigid enough to hold, and now you DO have the equivalent of a "sanding belt."
(I'm just talking about mechanical functionality here......not touching on how this is supposed to simulate motion.)

How about cleaning? The description of that is all a little "vague."
Where DOES all that lube, and "other bits" go? You can't immerse it in water, let alone put it in a dishwasher.

I'm also wondering about those heating elements......I understand your belts don't have enough thermal mass to reflect the natural heat of the blood filled penis, but again, on the product liability front, a heating element, even a mild one, that close to delicate penile flesh, scares the hell out of me.

You would have to be doing something extremely unsafe to hurt yourself. Bottom line is barring some freak accident or someone forcibly hurting themselves it will not happen. I am in the loop, and we will be releasing it. On the liability end I don't want to say too much as you probably understand.

Cleaning does kind of suck. No one who has used this has tried to hide this fact. You rinse the belts and you're good. The lube is somewhat self contained. It does leak, but none of it gets to key parts like motors, or wires so there isn't a problem there. Just ask the beta users on here, we haven't bound them to silence or anything.

I understand you're competitive nature as a business person and an entrepreneur but simply going around spreading basless rumors is a bit much.

(09-03-2009 06:49 AM)Haptic_Encoder Wrote: [ -> ]You would have to be doing something extremely unsafe to hurt yourself. Bottom line is barring some freak accident or someone forcibly hurting themselves it will not happen. I am in the loop, and we will be releasing it. On the liability end I don't want to say too much as you probably understand.

Cleaning does kind of suck. No one who has used this has tried to hide this fact. You rinse the belts and you're good. The lube is somewhat self contained. It does leak, but none of it gets to key parts like motors, or wires so there isn't a problem there. Just ask the beta users on here, we haven't bound them to silence or anything.

I understand you're competitive nature as a business person and an entrepreneur but simply going around spreading basless rumors is a bit much.

If you want to sidestep the "legal issues," as you have been doing, I'm certainly happy to do so. But facts are facts. They're not baseless, and not answering them confirms this to any intelligent reader.

But I would like to hear from some of the beta testers. So far, I haven't read anything here, or anywhere else for that matter, from an independent tester. In fact, haven't really heard from anyone that didn't have an email address that tracked back somehow to AEBN.

The review section here has 7 pages of "Not reviews."

I'd really like to hear? Anyone?
Let's get some feedback going.


Products that never "made it"
Digital sexsations
FU-FMe (Actually just someone's joke)
Sinulator
Feelthenet
Hi Joy
CiTech
Fleshlight interactive
Virtual Sex Stroker
Thrillhammer (Now primarily a movie prop)
IFriends Blinky light, suction cup on the screen, device

And several others that were "proposed" but never actually had even a prototype. So I don't consider them "real" products.

Products you can buy today:
Virtual Sex Machine- Available since June 2000 (4 different new and upgraded versions over the years for the male version)

Not theories, Not conspiracy, these are just the facts.

I sincerely hope the product DOES hit the street. It should heat up the Virtual Sex field, and bring it sorely needed public attention. From there, consumers will vote for the product and revenue model they like best.

Because the legal issues you bring up have nothing to do with us. Bottom line. The product is held up by production issues and NOT LEGAL ISSUES. My point will be proven this month, so in a few months it all my proof will be there.

(09-03-2009 11:47 AM)Haptic_Encoder Wrote: [ -> ]Because the legal issues you bring up have nothing to do with us. Bottom line. The product is held up by production issues and NOT LEGAL ISSUES. My point will be proven this month, so in a few months it all my proof will be there.

Well, that's slightly different response than before.
There are a lot of people hoping your product hits the street this month.

dude you need to chill out and stop tryin to contradict everything haptic says, hes said its not legal problems like 5 times and im pretty sure hes alot more in the loop than you are. The product will be released when they release it, when its finished. these people arent stupid, they arent gonna release it b4 they are sure they have all the kinks worked out and they can provide a quality product. As for me i will continue waiting patiently and will definitly be purchasing one... hopefully they dont reneg on the 150$ intro price promised if you entered your e-mail in time.

(09-05-2009 10:24 PM)Hawk9899 Wrote: [ -> ]dude you need to chill out and stop tryin to contradict everything haptic says, hes said its not legal problems like 5 times and im pretty sure hes alot more in the loop than you are. The product will be released when they release it, when its finished. these people arent stupid, they arent gonna release it b4 they are sure they have all the kinks worked out and they can provide a quality product. As for me i will continue waiting patiently and will definitly be purchasing one... hopefully they dont reneg on the 150$ intro price promised if you entered your e-mail in time.

I appreciate your input, but you're wrong.
I notice you just joined....and this is your first message.
Wonder why that might be?

because i dont open my mouth unless ive got something worth while saying, ive been following the forums for months and reading your constant bitching finally got to me

(09-06-2009 09:18 PM)Hawk9899 Wrote: [ -> ]because i dont open my mouth unless ive got something worth while saying, ive been following the forums for months and reading your constant bitching finally got to me

Truth is sometimes painful, and not what you want to hear. But that's why there is a "forum." To hear ALL opinions....even those that don't have anything worth saying. Perhaps someday you will. But in the meantime, I'll listen to all opinions.