(01-26-2010 12:40 AM)Reset Wrote: [ -> ]Evorealtouch,
I too do not understand why it takes so long to encode a clip. Unless they keep takeing many personal breaks. I program robotics and the software I use would work with the RealTouch. I could get it done in an hour or less. The software must have been created for the RealTouch and has not been used enogh to become developed and more intuitive.
I can do the same and make a programable unit for myself. I would not sell it. I always felt that if you can modfy for personal use and have that ability, then Licence is not an issue. It becomes an issue when it is sold and dissrupts a companys development.
Thanks for the responce, it is a great machine, it will get better. Makes me wonder if we will look back some time in the future and say the same as we have about video games like Pong.
If your in the USA check out tv show CAPRICA on hulu.com
They have a "holoband" which they talk about being used for porn.
I think that's the way it's going to eventually go.
Also check out 1983 film Brainstorm staring Christopher walkin
http://www.amazon.com/Brainstorm-Remaste...899&sr=1-1
Just purchased $300 worth of Tenga Products to try them out based on posts I have read in this forum.
(01-26-2010 01:00 AM)realman Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2010 12:48 AM)evorealtouch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2010 08:34 PM)realman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why a thread like this is even allowed. Particularly when this website has RealTouch in the domain name.
I imagine that this forum was setup to allow people to freely exchange ideas. You can't stop people from talking and sharing ideas on the internet.
From a legal point of view, AEBN can when it's done through a site whose domain name includes their trademark.
I also imagine this site was set up to promote the RealTouch affiliate program. Now, sadly, it seems that no affiliate program is in sight, but if RealTouch hacks are achieved and spread throught the internet, there won't be a product to either promote or enjoy for anyone. Nor, likely, any other virtual sex products for a considerable time.
Try posting PlayStation hacks at a site called PlayStationForum and if you don't get a writ from Sony, the webmaster certainly would.
Realman,
You are a little confused. I think it's funny that you are comparing people "talking" about something as if they are actually posting "hacks". If Sony started threatening people for just "talking" I think they would find the backlash from the internet community severe considering how easy it is to spread information across the internet.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Why do you think the affiliate program was scratched?
I don't know why the affiliate program was scratched, if it has been. I'm hoping it's because AEBN are still working out exactly how to sell the RealTouch and RealTouch encoded porn (entirely through themselves or via other porn companies).
I know, or can gather, that there has been some beef between AEBN and Deep Throat, I can't see that having anything to do with the affiilate program though. Mayby that has had something to do with why RealTouch hasn't been released outside of America though?
As an affiliate marketer, I know how protective big companies are towards their trade marks. I've had legal writs from companies ranging from HotOrNot.com to the makers of TamiFlu, just for using their trademarks in my domain names.
If AEBN see ANYTHING here that harms their buisness, I'm sure they would act.
My take on it is this:
Like any product I support (movies, TV, music), I'm going to continue to buy from AEBN/RealTouch to support their product. Now with the new possible pricing options Haptic Encorder mentioned may be coming, that's even more appealing if they come to fruition.
Those of you who complain about RealTouch being too expensive in my opinion need to keep two things in mind:
1.) Hardware wise, there isn't a product on the market as far as I know even close to as inexpensive (for the hardware) as RealTouch with anywhere near the level of technology it employs. While both of the following can certainly be used without purchasing VOD minutes, Venus 2K is primitive by today's standards (I respect that it's been around a long time though) and FOUR TIMES more expensive up front, and Virtual Sex Machine is TWICE as expensive (and still requires videos, though you can of course only use the ones that come with it over and over). The only product I can think comparable in price is the Rends R-1 Controller and A-10 Cyclone, and it's not nearly as advanced (spinning routines on a sleeve basically; doesn't simulate specific sensations) but also costs a little less and is a great toy. So what I'm essentially saying here is, RealTouch I'm sure is NOT making much if any money on the hardware alone here and selling it for a quite cheap price compared to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if they were even losing money on the hardware itself given marketing, production, and encoding costs (though I don't know either way). So they have to make money somewhere, and in this case, it's the VOD content.
2.) VOD pricing is also a lot more reasonable than we first expected, possibly because a lot of us were pretty upset to hear the rumored $1.00 per minute figure, me included! While it's true that the smallest packages are close to this, if you buy bulk minute, it takes it down to less than half. Also, now they're possibly considering offering everything from videos to buy permanently to rentals to simple routines you can pay a monthly subscription for. So there's a good chance in the future people will be able to "own" content to reuse over and over or buy non-video routines to use indefinitely. None of this is official until it's official, but it sure sounds like they're listening to feedback.
3.) The more of a success RealTouch is, the more likely there will be more and better content, more competition, future improvements in the hardware, etc. And all of that means it should eventually get cheaper as well.
So I guess my opinion is that RealTouch is doing everything they can to make this product affordable to people. I personally think they have every right to require an internet connection for use, even though I'm sure that's a bummer for some users. If they can figure out a way to allow video downloads to operate the device, I'm all for it, but copy protection (so to speak) on a device like this does make business sense, and I can't fault them for it.
It's not that I'm personally opposed to a hack if it adds something or is interesting to people or provides new ways to use the device. But my feeling is, if people stop paying AEBN, it *will* kill the product. And with how good this thing is, I would *hate* to see that.
WolfpupNX,
I am in agreement with you on a lot of points.
1) The cost of the product is low
2) As of right now, If I have to pay $7.50 - $15 (for 15 minutes of use) every time I use the device (5 days a week, 1 time per day, 52 weeks a year = $1,950 to $3,900 PER YEAR). At up to $60/hr I mind as well get a real flesh and blood human hooker for $100 instead of the realtouch robo sucker. I think their model is more like they sell a cheap ipod, but instead of downloading the song and we can listen to it as often as we like, we "pay per listen". The more enthusiastic we get the more it costs. That sounds a little unreasonable to me. But, maybe I'm an unreasonable user. If they had a $20/month unlimited use model I would not even think of looking for ways to use the device without the service.
3) My stance is that I will support the service and pay for movies. I also want to be able to use the device of my own accord. As a result, my contribution will be a few hundred a year, not a few thousand.
I can't fault them for trying to make money either, but I'm talking more about homebrew than outright piracy. I'm interested in creating my own authoring tool.
(01-23-2010 06:55 AM)evorealtouch Wrote: [ -> ]Just to let you all know. I am software/hardware engineer working on hacking the real touch. I am building a two new controller boxes that can be software controlled. The first box will "record" the realtouch actions and I will use it to analyze the real touch actions. The second box will "play back" actions. I also intend to build a authoring tool that will allow you to create your own actions for your favorite movies. Let me know if anyone has a interest in supporting this project.
evorealtouch,
Fair enough. It sounds like we use the product quite differently as I don't use mine every day (it varies; some weeks a good bit; others not as much). But yes, I can see it being a problem if you're talking thousands a year in usage cost. That said, you're making some assumptions I just can't personally wrap my head around. I have no idea why someone using Realtouch that much would ever buy the minutes 15 at a time at full price when they can just buy in bulk for literally half the price. One week of use buying 15 more minutes every day is almost up to the price for their nicest package. It's like buying cans of pop from a machine for $1.00 a pop instead of just buying a case - it doesn't make a lot of sense.
That said, hopefully RealTouch's potential new pricing strategies will benefit you. It sounds like they are considering at least some sort of monthly plan.
"The first box will "record" the realtouch actions and I will use it to analyze the real touch actions."
Uh. Why.
1. Between the USB and the control box, in which case, congratulations, you've just built a poor man's USB analyzer, something most any filter driver could get you with no hardware work whatsoever. It certainly got me what I needed. Go back and read the post about the protocol already being broken, allowing you to easily analyze the controls out of software alone, not that it'll do you much good. AEBN are not stupid. :3
2. Between the control box and the toy, in which case, congratulations, you've built an oscilloscope, which you didn't even need because someone else has already posted the pin-outs and required voltages for the toy.
So yeah. Not the best start there, but I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
And really, homebrew away, you won't detract enough from AEBN's main business to hurt them financially in a way that would risk the company. If you do (and by do, I mean so much as hint at selling a box running a competing service on the same hardware), you'll know, because legal recourse shall fall hard and fast on your nerdy, nerdy head. :3
(01-26-2010 02:07 AM)realman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why the affiliate program was scratched, if it has been. I'm hoping it's because AEBN are still working out exactly how to sell the RealTouch and RealTouch encoded porn (entirely through themselves or via other porn companies).
I know, or can gather, that there has been some beef between AEBN and Deep Throat, I can't see that having anything to do with the affiilate program though. Mayby that has had something to do with why RealTouch hasn't been released outside of America though?
As an affiliate marketer, I know how protective big companies are towards their trade marks. I've had legal writs from companies ranging from HotOrNot.com to the makers of TamiFlu, just for using their trademarks in my domain names.
If AEBN see ANYTHING here that harms their buisness, I'm sure they would act.
They have an affiliate program now. I was thinking about signing up for it. They pay $50 a unit or Rev Share.
(01-27-2010 02:17 AM)WolfpupNX Wrote: [ -> ]evorealtouch,
Fair enough. It sounds like we use the product quite differently as I don't use mine every day (it varies; some weeks a good bit; others not as much). But yes, I can see it being a problem if you're talking thousands a year in usage cost. That said, you're making some assumptions I just can't personally wrap my head around. I have no idea why someone using Realtouch that much would ever buy the minutes 15 at a time at full price when they can just buy in bulk for literally half the price. One week of use buying 15 more minutes every day is almost up to the price for their nicest package. It's like buying cans of pop from a machine for $1.00 a pop instead of just buying a case - it doesn't make a lot of sense.
That said, hopefully RealTouch's potential new pricing strategies will benefit you. It sounds like they are considering at least some sort of monthly plan.
Of course if your going to use it a lot buying the biggest package makes sense. Also your example is funny about the pop, because I AM the idiot who buys 2 cans of pop at $1 every day at work for convienice sake alone.
(01-28-2010 04:30 PM)qDot Wrote: [ -> ]"The first box will "record" the realtouch actions and I will use it to analyze the real touch actions."
Uh. Why.
1. Between the USB and the control box, in which case, congratulations, you've just built a poor man's USB analyzer, something most any filter driver could get you with no hardware work whatsoever. It certainly got me what I needed. Go back and read the post about the protocol already being broken, allowing you to easily analyze the controls out of software alone, not that it'll do you much good. AEBN are not stupid. :3
2. Between the control box and the toy, in which case, congratulations, you've built an oscilloscope, which you didn't even need because someone else has already posted the pin-outs and required voltages for the toy.
So yeah. Not the best start there, but I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
And really, homebrew away, you won't detract enough from AEBN's main business to hurt them financially in a way that would risk the company. If you do (and by do, I mean so much as hint at selling a box running a competing service on the same hardware), you'll know, because legal recourse shall fall hard and fast on your nerdy, nerdy head. :3
Wow. Your post certainly sounds hostile! I bet you work for Realtouch.
1. Don't need to crack the DRM stream
2. Your right all you need to do is monitor the current fluxuations and record the "patterns" to a log file. Which can be done using a modern hardware/software oscilloscope $50. Playback the patterns through a motor controller $50 and you can replicate the patterns.
I have no interest in hurting AEBN, just curiosity and interest in homebrew. I find these kind of threats mildly amusing at best. You seem to be stuck in a pre-global/internet economy circa 1980. If I was interested in selling hardware/software, WHICH I AM NOT, try stopping a company out of Thailand, Romania, Russia, China or a dozens of other countries. You have NO idea how easy that is today. You could wipe your ass with your lawsuits, and by the time you finally catch up with the local law enforcement (if they even gave a damn) the whole operation can be moved to another country just leaving you worse off for having spent tons of money chasing a phantom. Ever heard of the Pirate Bay? Watch: "steal this movie 2". Much to your frustration you will find that the world is not just one giant united states of america. The laws are different in different countries. In Russia reverse engineering is PERFECTLY LEGAL so your case would fall on deaf ears.
Regardless, I don't even need to SELL anything if I wanted to cause realtouch headache, WHICH I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING. I can simply post all the hardware diagrams/software online anonymously in hundreds of places FOR FREE. Once it goes up there is no coming down, just ask the church of Scientology or the RIAA. Bigger companies than AEBN have trembled before the awesome power of the internet. All of your might and fists of fury will only tickle the goliath of information sharing on the internet. Try stopping information going in every direction, it will slip through your fingers like water from a firehose.
Your ignorance astounds me. You sound like a nervous man who has everything to lose. Bark all you want from your glass house. If you work for AEBN, might I suggest serving and listening to the community that supports you rather than vague threats. As far as your nerd comment...I suspect you view the Nerds as Morlocks, but don't forget the Morlocks eat the Eloi.
(01-29-2010 02:41 PM)Reset Wrote: [ -> ]Nerdy Nerdy?
LOL
Yeah I thought that was funny too.
I pictured a big ignorant jock saying it.
LOL